tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post4347537948889043186..comments2023-10-31T10:59:03.023-04:00Comments on INKSPOT Crime Fiction Blog | A Place for Mystery, Mayhem, Writing and Life: Blatant Self Poisoning?Linda O. Johnstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01512430135042480450noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-79021019670737880662014-09-20T17:17:38.628-04:002014-09-20T17:17:38.628-04:00BSP is over the line, for me, when that author giv...BSP is over the line, for me, when that author gives nothing back to the community of writers that supported and nurtured them. There are authors who never comment on other's blogs, or talk about others books, or respond to a post unless they can give BSP about their own blog, book, website etc. Very noticeable and off-putting every time.H. S. Stavropouloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04611073025089782969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-320820847372652442011-02-12T19:40:56.384-05:002011-02-12T19:40:56.384-05:00Great discussion! For me, BSP is over the line wh...Great discussion! For me, BSP is over the line when there's no balance between GIVING and GETTING. Selling your book, after all, is about GETTING - namely money. So what are you giving in return? The content of the book. No fair - I don't get any of that wonderful content until I've bought your book.<br /><br />You have to give something first. Freely. Something useful. Something interesting.Carl Dierschowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18179112083440409658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-7563212643955899182011-02-12T12:08:16.047-05:002011-02-12T12:08:16.047-05:00I agree with what Mark said. Some authors can'...I agree with what Mark said. Some authors can't create a blog post or leave a comment without mentioning their books. It's at that point the self-promotion goes overboard.<br />I think book bloggers can contribute to the over-promotion, too. If a book appears on everyone's site, no matter how great the reviews, it's a turnoff.<br />Yes, we need to promote our work. However, our lives should not revolve around our books! What else can we tell folks? What can we give back to others?L. Diane Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425864276166334896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-38257919565973078122011-01-25T17:22:10.124-05:002011-01-25T17:22:10.124-05:00Late to the discussion (the Day Job)but thanks for...Late to the discussion (the Day Job)but thanks for this post, Sue Ann. As a debut author (there's my BSP!) I'm definitely wondering what's too much and what's not enough. Everyone's comments are more food for thought.Alice Loweeceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269785237562203610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-66533905176654769252011-01-25T16:19:15.735-05:002011-01-25T16:19:15.735-05:00I think it's significant that many folks re-tw...I think it's significant that many folks re-tweeted the link to this particular blog post. It's telling us that a lot of folks have been quietly disconnecting from authors who utilize overkill or self-centered BSP. I, for one, will definitely keep an eye on what and how much I do.<br /><br />And WELCOME to those of you who are new to Inkspot. This is a great blog with great authors.Sue Ann Jaffarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984054116933714621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-45215366550195935882011-01-25T15:45:43.229-05:002011-01-25T15:45:43.229-05:00I came here by way of a Tweet by Nevets and I have...I came here by way of a Tweet by Nevets and I have to say- bravo. There are authors whose future books I have little or no interest in because they pounded their followers on Twitter and Blogger so hard the first time around.<br /><br />I agree with what Nevets said about percentage- anything in large amounts makes you sick. If people only talk about their books, they lose me completely.<br /><br />If they can use humor and a light hand in their promotion...then I will be first to jump on the bandwagon, and spread the word for them, and in the end, I think that word of mouth from others beats BSP every time.<br /><br />~bruFebruary Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01078037856070486022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-21083995869299166332011-01-25T15:43:37.990-05:002011-01-25T15:43:37.990-05:00Sue Ann - You hit on a topic that I, a publcist, d...Sue Ann - You hit on a topic that I, a publcist, discuss with authors one-on-one nearly every day. BSP Overload.<br /><br />Its out there, we all see it, it causes us to unfriend authors, avoid certain blogsites, and the biggie... not buy their books!<br /><br />I think every author should have a person in their life who can be an honest sounding board. Someone to give you honest critique about your latest headshots, your blog posts (if it is controversial, get feedback before you post it), your writing, etc.<br /><br />The sad truth is that your writer friends are not going to tell you that you've hit BSP overload. They're just not going to. The world of authors is a tight knit community, and no one is going to risk offending another. <br /><br />Where is your "line"? If you don't have one, how will you know when you've crossed it?<br /><br />Diana James, P.R. Me PublicityDianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09732860672849251316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-73397503927110271322011-01-25T15:27:38.929-05:002011-01-25T15:27:38.929-05:00Sue Ann, I think for me one of the biggest factors...Sue Ann, I think for me one of the biggest factors is the percentage of their output that's BSP. I have connections with some authors who do quite a bit of BSP, but it's 50% or less of what they put out in their social media. They also show their personality and engage readers and colleagues in other ways. <br /><br />There are other authors with whom I have broken connection because even though they only used social media a few times a day perhaps, it was 100% BSP.<br /><br />My advice:<br /><br />Don't take the social out of social media, or you'll blend in with the never-ending stream of commercials.<br /><br />(Came here by the say via a tweet by Janet Rudolph.)C. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-1260642903598948062011-01-25T15:19:11.581-05:002011-01-25T15:19:11.581-05:00I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to...I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to add their thoughts. It was really helpful to see many readers weighing in on this delicate subject.<br /><br />Barb, I've been on panels with authors like that. And I've been on panels when authors in the audience ask questions or make comments specifically for the purpose of showcasing their books. Very bad manners.Sue Ann Jaffarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984054116933714621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-41188885473175243132011-01-25T13:54:15.210-05:002011-01-25T13:54:15.210-05:00The author who turns every single topic into a ref...The author who turns every single topic into a reference to his/her book...SO offputting! Most authors exercise common sense, and they know when enough is enough.G.M. Malliethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13805971625496094303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-57157982214706798982011-01-25T13:41:19.347-05:002011-01-25T13:41:19.347-05:00I remember a panel from Bouchercon 2001, where one...I remember a panel from Bouchercon 2001, where one author went so overboard with BSP that you could see the other three authors on the panel actually physically moving away from her, their dislike was so palpable. No matter what question someone posed from the audience, this author's book was perfect. "My son likes book about flying goats." This author's book was right for him. "My grandmother likes books about the mob." This author's book was right for her, too. I felt bad for the other panelists, but the author in question went so overboard that it actually became amusing. (Not that I've ever purchased her books...)<br /><br />Barb GoffmanBarb Goffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02172124872936856806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-50820683391141172702011-01-25T13:17:28.687-05:002011-01-25T13:17:28.687-05:00There is one author I refused to read. We were pa...There is one author I refused to read. We were part of a mystery discussion group, but every single one of their posts was basically "Buy my book." Someone posted about a book they'd read and enjoyed. "If you liked that, you'll like my book." Welcoming a new member? "Welcome. I think you'll like my book." And I'm only simplifying a little.<br /><br />Yes, I want to know when my favorite authors have new books coming out. That's why I hunt up information, usually months in advance. And knowing they are out is a great reminder. And I love getting information about signings as well.<br /><br />But I don't want to see it all day every day. Let me know something else about you. You never know when I might discover a new hobby thanks to something you are interested in. And I find it lots of fun seeing little things from your life pop up in your books. That makes me love you and your books even more.<br /><br />If all you do is promotion, it becomes poison. If you act like a normal person who happens to be a writer, it works as promotion.Mark Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567392254011373198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-60636187595559497522011-01-25T13:17:15.131-05:002011-01-25T13:17:15.131-05:00Sue Ann, good post. I've had "friends&quo...Sue Ann, good post. I've had "friends" whom I only hear from when they need something. I don't much care for that. Same thing applies to BSP. If the only time I hear from a writer "friend" is when s/he is self-promoting -- no good. OTOH, if a friend whom I've hung with online or in person wants to do some online promotion and wants some help doing it, I'm there.Keith Raffelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02926077627965529183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-50740966199018062832011-01-25T12:20:15.466-05:002011-01-25T12:20:15.466-05:00You raise an important question. We all walk a ve...You raise an important question. We all walk a very thin line. I get turned off very quickly when an author does too much self-promotion. And I worry constantly about finding the right balance for me and my books.Kathleen Ernsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009876100214388898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-17662402736082488422011-01-25T11:54:51.575-05:002011-01-25T11:54:51.575-05:00Very Thought provoking topic, Sue Ann. I have avoi...Very Thought provoking topic, Sue Ann. I have avoided some books, myself, because I was sick of hearing from the author. <br /><br />I believe, as with most everything in life, moderation and good taste are the keys. As for social networking I agree about "faceless" Facebook pages. I think it's important to show your interest in others. Then they'll show you theirs in return. (School Yard 101)Darrell Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08394984700734588887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-16223274241872062122011-01-25T10:31:52.956-05:002011-01-25T10:31:52.956-05:00What Alan said, and I sure hope we Midnight Ink au...What Alan said, and I sure hope we Midnight Ink authors could do that for each other. Sue Ann, I think your avid reader had it right. People know right away when someone is hanging out with them or in an on-line group just to pitch their books. You have to be engaged in the conversation otherwise. I'm glad you mentioned that about her not befriending authors who used their book covers as their profile pics. I had considered doing that on Facebook just during my release week, but now I think not.Beth Groundwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13999372882748655834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-91108168447335900142011-01-25T09:54:50.759-05:002011-01-25T09:54:50.759-05:00Always a problem, I think. There are some authors ...Always a problem, I think. There are some authors out there that are always in your face and it has a negative effect for me. I think maybe they heard that "it takes 6 mentions before people take action" mantra a little too much to heart. And for some, I've noticed an almost hysterical quality to some of the BSP, a kind of, "Dear God, notice me, notice me, or I'll never get a contract again." Desperation is not a selling point.<br /><br />I remember a very well-known self-marketing author once saying that if he could convince a person in a restaurant to pay $50 for an overpriced steak, he could convince him to buy a copy of his book.<br /><br />It's stayed with me because I thought, "And was that customer pissed off that you somehow convinced him to buy that overpriced steak, so he'll never come back to the restaurant again?"<br /><br />Fine line.Mark Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410424046477699059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-75653284435346673672011-01-25T09:45:40.132-05:002011-01-25T09:45:40.132-05:00Good post, and quite a conundrum. I would hope tha...Good post, and quite a conundrum. I would hope that if I start BSPing too much, one of my writer friends would pull me aside and let me know. Of course, everyone draws the line in a different place, which make the waters even more difficult to negotiate.Alan Orloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03695574442723430347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-51940428607564945192011-01-25T09:09:09.804-05:002011-01-25T09:09:09.804-05:00A very hard line, David, and it's also a very ...A very hard line, David, and it's also a very thin one to walk.<br /><br />Jen, thanks for your kind words. I remember when I first got on Facebook and Twitter reading a post by an avid reader. She said she never friended authors who used their bookcovers as their profile pics or only had fan pages. Nor did she care for folks who used their characters as their online personality. She wanted to know about the author. It was very good advice which I still follow.Sue Ann Jaffarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984054116933714621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-75044803680525715382011-01-25T08:18:57.280-05:002011-01-25T08:18:57.280-05:00Sue Ann, what a great topic to blog on. I'm a ...Sue Ann, what a great topic to blog on. I'm a reader and I have several books right now that I refuse to read for that exact purpose. Here's what I can recommend from my view point. <br /><br />If you're on social networks be there consistently and interact with people whether you have a book coming out or now. And when I say interact, I mean interact, not shove your writing at everyone constantly. Care about what your followers are saying, respond when they ask you a question, be involved in fun conversations. You do that well Sue Ann!<br /><br />Then when your book comes out, mention it is out. You can mention it multiple times, you can link and show where others have talked about it - miminally. Don't link to every review and don't let your conversations ONLY be about your books. <br /><br />But what's better is when OTHER people are willing to talk about your books. So the most important step is always to write the best book you can, get it started and then let it speak for itself...and others will do that work for you.Jen Forbushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325129568512353951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-23805972119956578972011-01-25T08:12:51.235-05:002011-01-25T08:12:51.235-05:00Self-promotion becomes blatant, for me the reader,...Self-promotion becomes blatant, for me the reader, when I see it more than once on Twitter. <br /><br />And yet for me the writer, I rather want as many people to be sick of promotions of my work as possible, because I know for every 1000 people who hear about it, at least 1 person will buy it.<br /><br />...tough.<br /><br />It's...it's a hard line.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12701186474452272514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529128955266044151.post-46051897282117766342011-01-25T06:27:44.287-05:002011-01-25T06:27:44.287-05:00For me, the promotion becomes off-putting when an ...For me, the promotion becomes off-putting when an author is on every list, every day, sometimes more than once. <br /><br />Love your new title, Sue Ann! Looking forward to reading it.Lisa Borkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09174197592575631864noreply@blogger.com